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Guardforce is currently inviting talented and experienced candidates for the following positions:
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version.
Please refer to Chinese version.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to chinese version
Please refer to chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Manage the server farm in the VM environment
Handle system installation, configuration, administration, troubleshooting and monitoring of information systems such as Microsoft AD and Exchange email
Administer and monitor the storage and backup systems
Troubleshoot problems relating to servers, desktops, laptops, and Network
Supervise regular systems reviews and design recommendations in the improvement of the overall infrastructure security and performance
Lead and manage support team to deliver IT services for internal staffs
Revise and improve IT policies and procedures
Perform ad hoc duties assigned
Have minimum a diploma/degree holder or above in Computer Science, Information Technology or related disciplines
Solid experience in managing Microsoft OS and Hypervisor environments and server applications such as MS AD, MS Exchange and VMware
Solid experience in security, networking and general backend applications management such as Firewall, Routers, Switches, VPN, VoIP, Veeam
Good knowledge in enterprise storage system and HCI
3 to 4 years’ relevant working experience
Excellent interpersonal and communication skills
Good command in written and spoken English, Cantonese and Putonghua
Candidate with less experience will be considered as Junior System Administrator
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
To explore new business and achieve sales growth for integrated security solution
To establish and maintain excellent relationship with existing and potential customers
To prepare quotation, tenders and sales proposals to potential customers
To liaise and coordinate effectively with internal parties
To assist in formulating sales strategies and market plan to drive sales growth
To achieve pre-set performance target in terms of sales and profit margin
To perform any other duties assigned from time to time
Certificate or above in Business related disciplines
Minimum 1 year of relevant working experience, preferable in sales, marketing or Business Development
Strong business sense, genuine interest in security industry
Self-driven with strategic mind to explore new opportunities
Familiar with Microsoft Office, Excel and Power Points
Good command in both spoken and written English and Chinese, conservation Mandarin is preferable
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Working Location:
Yau Tong
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please refer to Chinese version
Please refer to Chinese version
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.
Please send your application together with a full resume stating your present and expected salary & date of availability to one of below:
Room 206, 2/F Guardforce Centre, 3 Hok Yuen Street East, Hunghom, Kowloon | |
+ 852 2765 2819 (Whatsapp) | |
+ 852 2333 3481 | |
hr@guardforce.com.hk | |
Apply Now |
Personal data provided in your application will be kept in the strictest confidence. It will only be used for employment-related purposes by any entity within our Group. Applicants not notified within 1 month will be considered as unsuccessful. Unsuccessful application may be kept for another 3 months for new openings or consideration by another entity within our Group before properly shredded.